The news on the upcoming launches of AMD's new 3950X and Threadripper parts are heating up. This time with official results for Intel's new Cascade Lake-X parts having an official showing as well. The findings come from the 3DMark database, which has new results for both the flagship AMD mainstream CPU and the upcoming flagship Intel HEDT part as well.
Different users ran the two tests, but they appear to be stock results from what the results entries show. Now do keep in mind this is less of a controlled environment than the reviews you read here. Each of these was from separate users with no in-depth information such as MCE status or anything else that may be configured. However, once we look at the scores and some of the specifics of each entry, we can extrapolate some useful information.
The team over at WCCFTech has "a friend" who somehow got hands-on with the upcoming AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16 core mainstream platform CPU. They then tested the CPU in the popular Cinebench R20 benchmark. While Cinebench may not be the end-all tell-all for performance, it does give us a decent look at the relative performance in a heavy render style load.
It is important to note that this at this time must be treated as a rumor. But, it is worth noting that if you scale the relative performance, we have seen thus far from the new Ryzen 3rd gen parts, the numbers stack up to be credible.
I can't believe we're going to be having a day that seems to be arriving very soon, where we will have 64 cores and 128 threads of CPU power inside of our desktop PCs... thanks to AMD's purported Ryzen Threadripper 3990WX.
We started hearing more concrete details on AMD's new Ryzen Threadripper CPUs in the last few days after months and months of rumors, with 'ghost_morley' on Twitter breaking down the naming schemes of AMD's new Zen 2-based Ryzen Threadripper CPUs. It looks like we can expect the following:
- AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X - 24C/48T
- AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X - 32C/64T
- AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3980X - 48C/96T
- AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X - 64C/128T
Intel will be launching its new Xe discrete graphics card in 2020 but the question will be when in 2020... with Intel's Core and Visual Computing Group and bad ass cricket fan and ice cream lover Raja Koduri teasing a June 2020 release for Xe just a few days ago on his brand-new Tesla.
But now according to "industry sources" of DigiTimes, Intel will be launching its first Xe GPUs in mid-2020, packing GDDR6 memory and at least one model with just 25W TDP. Intel's new Xe-based graphics cards will reportedly be made on the 10nm process, but don't expect to be playing Control maxed out on it just yet -- it won't be beating NVIDIA's flagship GeForce RTX 2080 Ti... hell, it probably won't beat AMD's Radeon RX 5700 XT.
I've been hearing from my own sources (a couple of them just to be sure) that the first Intel Xe graphics card will be a developer kit of sorts, and not a full-fledged consumer-facing product ready to take on NVIDIA and AMD. Intel doesn't have a stable decade+ of graphics card releases, architectures, and what I think is the most important -- drivers, software, and game developer support.
Since the Ryzen 3000 launch, everyone has been extremely excited to see how the 7nm ZEN 2 performance scales on HEDT. Well, it looks like the new chips are starting to break the surface.
In a leak we picked up from the team over at Videocardz, we see that the Ashes of the Singularity database has a new result for a 24-core Threadripper titled 3960X. But, wait a minute. Some of you may be asking, wasn't there already a 3960X CPU? And to answer that question, yes, it was an X79/LGA2011 Sandy Bridge-E variant from several years ago. It does seem weird that AMD would paint themselves into a corner with naming their new HEDT CPU in such a way, but this is a leak/rumor, for now, so we will treat it as such.
Either way, I think this only feeds the fire of excitement to see what the new Threadripper chips will offer. It will also be exciting to see what level of disruption it will add to the current and upcoming Intel X299 based parts. If it is anything like the existing mainstream platform, it will be significant, now onto another interesting leak that came up today.
It looks like we can look forward to Intel's new server CPU socket to be LGA 4677 with TE Connectivity, the maker of multiple connectivity solutions (and other gear) for CPU sockets, has unveiled its roadmap for future Intel server processors.
You can see in the image above we have the current-gen LGA 3647, while the new LGA 4189 socket will launch later this year and run through to 2022 in servers -- but at the top you can see the new LGA 4677 socket which will debut with PCIe 5.0 connectivity.
Intel is pushing a big upgrade in the number of pins bet ween the current LGA 3647 socket and even the impending next-gen Xeon CPU socket in LGA 4189... but LGA 4677 takes it up another level, and then adds PCIe 5.0 support on top of that. We should expect memory controller increases in the new LGA 4677 and next-next-gen Intel Xeon CPUs as well as the introduction of the PCIe 5.0 standard.
AMD not too long ago launched the new Ryzen 3000 series, which is the first appearance of Zen 2 and their 7nm chiplet design for the consumer space.
However, it did not take long for rumors to start popping up around Zen 3. AMD is rumored not to follow the same cadence of a new manufacturing tech followed by an optimization cycle. Instead, it is said that AMD will have Zen 3, the next step in Ryzen parts in 2020, and the refresh could make for some significant optimizations and performance jumps.
The block diagram above may be for the server platform, but as we have seen, it can be very telling about the direction and changes we will see from the consumer parts. Simplified this means that unlike the refresh we observed from Ryzen 1000 to 2000 series, we could instead see a jump more akin to the Ryzen 2000 to the Ryzen 3000 lineup. AMD is said to be optimizing the cache hierarchy, along with optimizations for the Infinity Fabric and the clock mesh, which will all come out to over 8% IPC uplift.
Update: We have received an update to this article from official contacts at Intel: "We continue to make great progress on 10nm, and our current roadmap of 10nm products includes desktop."
Intel has been hard at work with 10nm Ice Lake, but if rumors hold, it won't be on your desktop or any other for that matter.
The story which broke from HardwareLUXX shows some slides from the Intel investor day back in May of 2019. Also included are notes from an insider, which has been proven credible in stories from the past paint, quite the bleak picture for 10nm on desktop. The news is not something we wanted to hear by any means. We have all seen the jokes of intel's 14nm+++++++++++++++ process, we even made a few of them.
Unfortunately, it appears that Intel is canceling any plans of their much anticipated 10nm parts for their desktop processor offerings. Intel has supposedly shifted focus to 7nm EUV for this sector, which they are aggressively working on. This is stated to be available around 2022 for those waiting for the replacement to Skylake.
Intel has been muddying up the waters as of recent with their processor stacks. Intel Ice Lake, which is 10nm, is working toward being consumer-available and Comet lake, which is 14nm and also apparently coming soon.
Regardless of your feelings of having potentially confusing naming schemes for Intel's new lineup, which are both labeled 10XXX. There is something to be said for the amount of performance we see thus far.
A benchmark result appeared on the SiSoft Sandra database showing a new Comet Lake entry. The Core i3-10100 is listed as four core and eight threads with an operational speed of 3.6GHz. This is likely omitting whatever turbo boost speeds you may see during regular operation, but time will tell as this SKU comes to light. The really cool part we see here is a quad-core entry into the i3 space, which is also HT enabled for 8 logical processors.
As of right now, this is very much a rumor, so I want to put that out front. However, this lends far more credence to the claim as it has come from several sources over time and seems to be more of a beginning to a realization. Sometimes it is simply not possible, and I have to assume as of the time of writing that is the case.
Word has been coming around over the past month or so, and it's not great for anyone looking at a new platform on the Threadripper front. Especially if you are looking at a new or better motherboard for your existing Threadripper or looking to put a newer chip in your current X399 motherboard.
The new TRX40, which is one of the claimed new chipsets/board monikers for the latest 3rd generation of Ryzen Threadripper from AMD. While AMD always pushes to make a socket or platform last a long time, we have seen issues with X570 where 1st gen Ryzen support was cut in many cases. However, in the case of AM4, older boards could still support the newer chips, at least mostly with a few exceptions across the line.