When we delivered the world exclusive news that AMD would be calling its next-gen CPUs Ryzen, some very early details arrived on something called 'ThreadRipper', and at the time we thought ThreadRipper was AMD's version of SMT, which Intel calls Hyper-Threading.
But now we are seeing different reports that ThreadRipper is the name of AMD's upcoming HEDT platform, with the teased 12C/24T and 16C/32T processors coming over from the Naples CPU family (which teases 32C/64T). A post on Reddit teases that the new CPUs will include 64 PCIe lanes, and up to 180W TDP with the 16C/32T version.
AMD will reportedly deploy ThreadRipper onto a new LGA SP3 socket, with up to 32MB of L3 cache, and up to 4GHz boost on certain ThreadRipper processors. There's an announcement reportedly planned for Computex, which is only two months away, and a retail launch in the weeks after Computex, into the end of June.
AMD's next-gen ThreadRipper details so far:
- Zen HEDT CPU's are called Threadripper!
- Each CPU will include 64 PCI-E Lanes!
- It includes 4 CCX's.
- Lower SKU(Probably 12/24) 140W TDP, Higher SKU (Probably 16/32) 180W TDP.
- Socket will be an SP3 LGA
- Platform's name will probably be X399
- Chips will be B2 revisions.
- 32MB L3 Cache
- ES's are 3,3 or 3,4GHz base and 3,7GHz Boost
- It is aimed for Retail SKU to have 3,6 Base/4GHz Boost
- ES's that are in the wild have 2500 CB R15.
- Infinity Fabric can have a bandwidth up to 100GB/S
- Announcement; COMPUTEX at Taiwan, sales will start after 2-3 weeks following COMPUTEX.
Most of the crazy new CPU headlines have been going to AMD over their new Ryzen family of processors, led by the new flagship Ryzen 7 1800X - but we've been hearing about 12C/24T chips, and even 16C/32T processors. But the 32C/64T goodness coming later this year from AMD with Naples is going to be huge for the prosumer/workstation/datacenter markets.
Now we have a tease of what looks like Intel's next-gen Xeon, based on a 32C/64T design, thanks to benchmarks spotted in Geekbench. The new Skylake-EP platform is teased, with the 32C/64T processor running at 2.3GHz, with 46MB of L3 cache, AVX-512 instruction set support, UPI, and the next-gen Stoem Lake OmniPath architecture - making the new Xeon a tasty mix of CPU architecture goodness.
Until now, Intel has only mentioned a 28C/56T processor coming in the Xeon line - but it looks like Intel is responding to AMD's threat of Naples coming in 32C/64T with its own Xeon CPU with 32C/64T of performance. The datacenter/server market is huge, so it only makes sense for chipzilla to get involved in the multi-threaded fight.
Intel is going to have a hard time on its hands with this current rumor of the purported Core i7-7740K processor, a new CPU based on the Kaby Lake X architecture - on the HEDT platform.
The new Core i7-7740K won't be a slight bump on the current Kaby Lake (non-X) processor is a 4C/8T offering on the LGA 1151 socket, while the Core i7-7740K is on the LGA 2066 socket powered by the X299 chipset. The X299 chipset will be ready for the high-end Core i7-7740K, which will rock 4C/8T of Kaby Lake X at 4.3/4.5GHz for base/boost clocks.
But, the new Core i7-7740K will not include an integrated GPU for on-board graphics, like the 7700K does now - and will bump the TDP up to 112W, from 91W on 7700K. 20 more watts, for the same Turbo Boost clock of 4.5GHz, and 4C/8T - without integrated graphics, hmm.
Will people think the 7740K is a slightly faster 7700K, even though its a completely different architecture and motherboard? Confusing naming here if the rumors turn out to be true... maybe Intel needs to introduce a new family of CPUs between its current Core and Xeon lines, to deal with the multi-threaded CPU threat from AMD with Ryzen.
AMD lit up the consumer CPU market with the Ryzen 7 1800X, offering 8T/16C of performance for only $499 - and now, there's a new 12C/24T processor being teased. This new 12C/24T chip will probably end up competing against the newly-rumored X390/X399 chipset for the higher-end Ryzen CPUs.
The new Ryzen 12C/24T processor was spotted inside of the Alienware Area 51-R3, and for comparison sake the Area 51-R2 features Intel's Core i7-6800/6850K. This isn't the server CPU processor, but it does sport a new socket - and a 3.2GHz Turbo clock, not bad for a 24-threaded CPU.
Intel owns the super high-end/enthusiast PC market with its flagship Core i7-6950X processor, but it looks like AMD could have its sights set on that market as well - with the first images of a purported X390 and X399 chipset. The new rumors are coming from Reddit, with someone posting some diagrams of the alleged X390/X399 chipsets.
Starting with the X390 motherboard, which is an ASUS made board - it features a much larger 'AM44' socket - which could be a typo, but maybe 4+4 = 8 and we're looking at the AM8 socket? On top of that, the purported ASUS-made X390 motherboard features their awesome Aura Sync technology, for RGB LED goodness - and 8 x DIMM sockets for a massive amount of RAM. We have 44 PCIe 3.0 lanes on the X390, compared to just 40 lanes on Intel's HEDT chipset in X99.
Moving onto the X399 chipset where things get really interesting, as the X399 chipset is destined for dual-CPUs - like the upcoming Naples CPU which is a workstation/server processor, with ECC support. AMD's purported X399 chipset would take 44 PCIe 3.0 lanes per CPU, for 88 PCIe 3.0 lanes in total. Madness.
From these rumors, it looks like the X390 chipset would take in the purported Ryzen CPU with 16C/32T that AMD will reportedly launch later this year to tackle Intel's flagship Core i7-6950X. The X399 on the other hand, if it were to reach the consumer market, could offer much cheaper dual-CPU systems to people compared to Intel's Xeon platform.
AMD has already shaken up the enthusiast market with their 8C/16T flagship Ryzen 7 1800X processor, and now the Ryzen 5 family - which will aim directly at Intel's current-gen Core i3 and more importantly - Core i5 market.
Ryzen 5 processors will be cheaper, and offer more CPU threads for the money than any Core i3 or Core i5 processor - with the flagship Ryzen 5 1600X arriving as a 6C/12T processor at 4GHz for just $249. Intel has its Core i5-7600K with 4C/8T at $239 right now on Amazon, meaning AMD offers 4 additional CPU threads with Ryzen 5 1600X at just $10 more - or, the cheaper Ryzen 5 1600 with 6C/12T and its lower price of $219.
AMD will be launching its Ryzen 5 family of processors on April 11, but some retailers are selling the CPUs early - with resellers in Europe already selling Ryzen 5 chips. Someone posted on Reddit, saying that someone purchased a Ryzen 5 1600 processor in Brazil.
We've been hearing rumors of AMD competing in the HEDT space with a monster 32C/64T processor, possibly based on its Naples platform, but now we're hearing more information on Intel's next-gen Xeon E5-2699 v5 processor.
Intel's new Xeon E5-2699 v5 will be based on Skylake-EP, with 32 physical CPU cores, and 64 threads thanks to SMT/Hyper-Threading. Performance wise, expect it to be an absolute monster - with some new technologies being baked into it from Intel. Skylake-EX Purley should ship with 6-channel DDR4 support, compared to 4-channel DDR support - with the AVX-512 instruction set, and exciting new 100G OmniPath interconnect technology.
There were even engineering samples that reportedly made it online last year, selling for $3845 - quite a steep price, but 64-threaded CPU? Yes, please. The base clock on the higher-end Xeon CPUs is always lower than the consumer-orientated Core family processors, with the monster 32C/64T chip to sport a 2GHz (or so) base clock.
We should see Intel deploy a new socket for these next-gen Xeon parts, with LGA 3467 sure to make an appearance - with support for 12 DDR4 DIMMs... as well as the fresh out of the oven Optane DIMMs, which we've just written about here.
AMD has shaken up the consumer CPU market with its new Ryzen processors, led by the Ryzen 7 1800X flagship CPU - offering 8C/16T @ 4GHz for $499. This disrupts Intel's market in a big way, because AMD is offering performance similar to, or better than the Core i7-6900K, a processor that costs $999.
The latest rumor is that AMD is ready to hit Intel in the HEDT market even harder, offering a new 16C/32T processor for the $1000 mark - beating out Intel's current flagship Core i7-6950X, which costs $1600+. AMD would reportedly unveil this new Ryzen CPU behemoth at Computex, in just two months time - while Intel launches its next-gen X399 chipset and new flagship Core i7 processor. The rumor is floating over from the ChipHell forums, picked up by Overclock3D.net.
According to the rumor: "Public knowledge by now but AMD has a new HEDT platform coming out in a couple of months. You'll see more of it at Computex I believe. It's a 16 core /32 Thread, quad channel behemoth. And it is insanely quick in the tests that Ryzen is already excelling at. So Cinebench, and all other related productivity programs. The gaming issues that were causing the Ryzen AM4 CPUs to behave erratically to say the least have been ironed out. It's akin to a newer revision on a newer platform. This should be competing with the Xeon and of course 6950X Intel offers for $1700~$1800USD, but at about $1,000 USD if not less for some Skews. Coming soon".
Great tease, huh? The rumor continues: "CPSs are pretty big physically, about twice the size of surrent 6950X CPUs and a bit more perhaps. And if you were hoping for pins, nope it's strictly LGA! It's NOT 8 channel, but Quad. Will be a splendid competition between X299 and this AMD platform. Skylake-X is pretty good, not revolutionary but a meaningful step up in IPC and the clocks are pretty high as well. If Intel will have a 32 core part to compete on X299 remains to be seen, but the HEDT platform is going to change quite a bit in the next 4 to 6 months.?"
I don't think we'll see a revised Ryzen or 'Ryzen 2' processor - but the 16C/32T processor is believable, considering AMD's upcoming Naples CPU will have 32C/64T of pure brute performance - with 128 PCIe 3.0 lanes. AMD could utilize its Naples platform with a HEDT-like Ryzen release with a 16C/32T processor for $999, and a $250-$400 motherboard and really compete with the $2000+ kit from Intel.
If you're rocking Intel's new Kaby Lake CPU or AMD's super-fast Ryzen processors and running an older operating system like Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, well - you're out of luck. Microsoft no longer supports operating systems older than Windows 10 (because it's been out for so long now).
Microsoft is now gimping Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPUs on Windows 7/8.1, effectively forcing you to upgrade to Windows 10 - as they've thrown a processor check into the latest Windows Update for W7/8.1 - sneaky. This update prevents Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPU owners from downloading updates, with an error message that reads: "Your PC uses a processor that isn't supported on this version of Windows".
This doesn't mean Microsoft is completely throwing Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 away, it's only for the newer Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPU architectures. Microsoft is still issuing security patches to its older operating systems, but if you're rocking a new Kaby Lake-based Core i7-7700K or Ryzen 7 1800X, you're done. Sorry,
with no love, Microsoft.
AMD is just weeks away from launching its mid-range Ryzen 5 family of CPUs, with the Ryzen 5 1400, Ryzen 5 1500X, Ryzen 5 1600, and the flagship Ryzen 5 1600X processor.
AMD's new Ryzen 5 family is their mid-range offering to fight off the higher-end Core i3 and mid-range Core i5 processors from Intel, with the new Ryzen 5 1600X being compared against Intel's Core i5-7600K in Cinebench, with AMD's new Ryzen 5 1600X being 69% faster. A huge improvement, thanks to the 6C/12T performance versus 4C/8T on the 7600K chip.
AMD Ryzen 5 CPU - core/threads - clock speeds
- Ryzen 5 1400: 4C/8T @ 3.2/3.4GHz
- Ryzen 5 1500X: 4C/8T @ 3.5/3.7GHz (unlocked/overclockable)
- Ryzen 5 1600: 6C/12T @ 3.2/3.6GHz
- Ryzen 5 1600X: 6C/12T @ 3.6/4GHz (unlocked/overclockable)